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08/11/2010

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J.D. Mather

If you look back in the history of SWx vs MDT the early adopters of SWx were some very bright people. The very best I'm familiar with gravitated towards the complex surface techniques, often having to really jump some through some hoops, in SWx.
I have been using Inventor Tooling for a little more than a year now and it is impressive. But even as impressive as Tooling is, I would not bother to bend the ears of the top SWx users I know without Alias Editor tools as part of the base install of at least Pro.

There are still some stuff from Algor (like thermal)that should be in Pro, and both companies need an integrated CNC - but I think Alias Editor tools in Inventor would be a SWx killer.

J.D. Mather

Before someone takes me to task I realize that I said SWx vs MDT. I'm referring to the early adopters. Inventor was a late and correct response to SWx. Will Alias Editor be the next correct response for the late adopters - main street. So far, not as packaged....

Kevin E.

I'm not sure what to think of integrated CNC. I have used both integrated and standalone. The Integrated was the Pro/Manufacturing CAM module for Pro/E. The stand alone was Gibbscam.

Both were associative to the model. Gibbscam seemed to handle large changes better. Pro/Manufacturing could give me the hole information without a print.

You could tell Gibbscam was built by people that understood machining and Pro/Manufacturing was built by a cad company that didn't understand machining.

My vote would be for Autodesk to buy Gibbscam and wrap it in there, but that will never happen. I think they will buy someone, I just hope that it is a company that understands machining.

J.D. Mather

I have a client that is currently using Pro/E but want to convert to Inventor. The hold is on CNC.
I should have been paying attention when Amy visited Pittsburgh a few years back but didn't really state why on her blog. Then Autodesk purchases Algor. A couple of years ago I think a Desker did a presentation at AU on CNC programs that work with Inventor, but I couldn't attend that class. Might have picked up a clue..... .......then the market collapse probably wiped out any plans... All speculation on my part of course.

Rob Cohee

Hey guys, check out this site autodesk.com/inventorcertified-cam

Let me see what I can do about getting one of those guys to get me a video using Mastercam or GibbsCAM and an Inventor part...

Mike Simms

I think Kevin E hit it right on the head. Let the CAM folks do their thing. All CAM is not equal. Sheet-Metal is totally different than Machining, which is different than EDM, which is different than Woodworking. Autodesk does need to improve relations with companies and bring as many into the "Certified" category as possible. Integrated CAM is good for some, and not for others. Some shops would prefer not to have their programmer require a seat of CAD as well as CAM. Gotta keep 'em sep-er-ated...

Derrekcooper

ahh the good old days of the CAD wars.. cool video.. sounds like Rob had a few coffees before the recording. I thought it was on FF initially :)

Kevin E.

@Mike Autodesk seems to be heavily investing in different areas of manufacturing tools. Inventor used to make parts, assemblies, and drawings, and then relied on 3rd party applications for things like FEA, Tooling, Rendering, Mold, etc.

They have now started to add those things in the box. Looks like they would like to include everything needed for manufacturing, and CAM is one of those things we need to make parts.

I'm not sure what 3rd parties will think of this. I don't think Autodesk will change anything for people who want to develop 3rd party applications, but there are some people that just want these things included in the product.

JohnEvansDesign

Regading Integrated CAM, I wrote an article saying what I wanted Autodesk to do in the future. It was set as humor, but I agreed desiring them to integrate some features. What I found later was just like mentioned above so many shops not wanting to get tied down. If you hard integrated it, people would likely have to make a choice. If you left it as a side component, initially only Inventor users would swing, since they are heavily based in the system they are already using.
There are only so many companies using CAM applications, and 3rd party is covering that. Autodesk didn't (last time I mentioned it) see the need to rock that boat. Anyway here's my post http://bit.ly/dmAplH

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